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This post is based on a suggestion in the discussion prompt gathering thread, which is still taking suggestions for new discussions if you have them.
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marshtide said:
Some commenting re: sexual preference vs gender expression and "sex inversion" followed. The thread is here.
I'm better at making associations and connections than conclusions, but here are some subjects I'd love to see discussed:
1) If Victorian sexologists conflated of sexuality and gender, i.e., a woman who wants women is like a man, would that also work as a woman who is like a man necessarily wanting women? There were popular stories of women dressing up as boys for practical reasons or to follow their male lovers, like Viola in Twelfth Night, Fidelio and Sweet Polly Oliver, but on the other hand people would also be aware of the legend of the bisexual La Maupin for example. Also see point #3.
2) Do you think Irene Adler may have been inspired by scandalous 19th century crossdressing women? I'm thinking of George Sand.
3) Have some caricatures of women's rights activists wearing trousers and "reducing" their husbands to the role of the wife.
4) Pornographers were certainly aware of woman-on-woman sex acts, and I vaguely remember (sorry, I have not prepared this post) reading an excerpt of a courtesan advising a recruit to playfully put on a man's jacket and hat to arouse her client. I've also seen an erotic drawing of a woman in trousers with her excited male lover saying "Miss, may I help you with your trousers?" and the cover of a turn of the century magazine where a beaming man is surrounded by a crowd of women in jackets and trousers, boasting "bifurcated girls". That was in The History of Girly Magazines, and the text claimed that women in trousers were quite naughty because it clearly showed that women had legs. Hum. So, does anyone know if there was a lesbian subculture that engaged in crossdressing or if this would have been more of a game for male-servicing brothels? What do you think Doyle was referencing with the character?
5) Could Irene or her fellow female (real and imagined) gender rebels from the era compare to modern genderqueer identities? There's no way of knowing which of the many "women" caught "dressing like a man" throughout the history would now be identified as trans men, and how many were in it for the benefits, or could fall into some other category of trans.
In other words, do you think her crossdressing closer related to "sex inversion" and lesbianism, female liberation, gender rebellion or straight titillation - or other, or all of the above?
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Kind of following on from the general stuff about queer womanhood that's being discussed at the moment, I'd love some more specific discussion of Irene Adler as a possible bisexual character.
Some commenting re: sexual preference vs gender expression and "sex inversion" followed. The thread is here.
I'm better at making associations and connections than conclusions, but here are some subjects I'd love to see discussed:
1) If Victorian sexologists conflated of sexuality and gender, i.e., a woman who wants women is like a man, would that also work as a woman who is like a man necessarily wanting women? There were popular stories of women dressing up as boys for practical reasons or to follow their male lovers, like Viola in Twelfth Night, Fidelio and Sweet Polly Oliver, but on the other hand people would also be aware of the legend of the bisexual La Maupin for example. Also see point #3.
2) Do you think Irene Adler may have been inspired by scandalous 19th century crossdressing women? I'm thinking of George Sand.
3) Have some caricatures of women's rights activists wearing trousers and "reducing" their husbands to the role of the wife.
4) Pornographers were certainly aware of woman-on-woman sex acts, and I vaguely remember (sorry, I have not prepared this post) reading an excerpt of a courtesan advising a recruit to playfully put on a man's jacket and hat to arouse her client. I've also seen an erotic drawing of a woman in trousers with her excited male lover saying "Miss, may I help you with your trousers?" and the cover of a turn of the century magazine where a beaming man is surrounded by a crowd of women in jackets and trousers, boasting "bifurcated girls". That was in The History of Girly Magazines, and the text claimed that women in trousers were quite naughty because it clearly showed that women had legs. Hum. So, does anyone know if there was a lesbian subculture that engaged in crossdressing or if this would have been more of a game for male-servicing brothels? What do you think Doyle was referencing with the character?
5) Could Irene or her fellow female (real and imagined) gender rebels from the era compare to modern genderqueer identities? There's no way of knowing which of the many "women" caught "dressing like a man" throughout the history would now be identified as trans men, and how many were in it for the benefits, or could fall into some other category of trans.
In other words, do you think her crossdressing closer related to "sex inversion" and lesbianism, female liberation, gender rebellion or straight titillation - or other, or all of the above?
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Date: 2010-05-14 10:44 am (UTC)Maybe the people in the lesbian subculture of this time would have identified differently now, but women dressing as men was a significant part of lesbian subculture then. It's definitely possible to read Irene's cross-dressing as being a sign of bisexuality.
Furthermore I've always connected Adler's way or dressing with her career. Genderplay has long traditions in theatre. In opera there is of course breeches parts, just as one example. The play with gender in theatre was mostly 'safe' and yet it managed to titillate both women and men. It was basically bisexual in character. And working with theatre/art might in itself be considered a 'queer' signifier.
But to answer your last question, I'd say that more than anything Adler signals strength and freedom. She doesn't feel like a typical representative of the women's movement, but as an ideal of what women can be.
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Date: 2010-05-14 10:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-14 11:01 am (UTC)About Irene as an ideal, though - would you theorize this was Doyle's ideal woman, or just an interesting character he presented who might be Holmes' ideal woman? I think it is quite awesome that an intelligent, strong, self-sufficient, boldly "indecent" woman is presented as the ideal rather than the sweet homebody. I wonder how many more late Victorian heroines were like that? More than the heroines a few decades previously?
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Date: 2011-06-19 01:54 am (UTC)She's the opposite both of the 'demure, correct woman' and of that poisoner. And she rather enjoys playing him (think the old woman is also Irene in disguise?)
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Date: 2010-05-14 03:32 pm (UTC)I don't suppose I could beg for scans? They sound delightful.
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Date: 2010-05-14 03:52 pm (UTC)Here we are.
Date: 2010-05-14 05:18 pm (UTC)Re: Here we are.
Date: 2010-05-14 08:44 pm (UTC)(I appreciate that in context, "Eugenics" means "a handy excuse to show nakedness and pretend it's all about the health of the race", much as naturism and bodybuilding have provided similar excuses at various points. But still, disturbing.)
Re: Here we are.
Date: 2010-05-14 08:51 pm (UTC)Re: Here we are.
Date: 2010-05-15 07:35 am (UTC)They had a chapter on "naturism" journals which just HAPPENED to show lots of young females.
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Date: 2010-05-14 04:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-14 05:38 pm (UTC)One thought I just had, and forgive me for not having it thoroughly thought-out, is that it's possible that Doyle put her in men's clothes because to make her an appropriate "rival" for Holmes she had to taken to some extent the power of a man. For her to be worthy of defeating him, she cannot move merely in women's circles. It's possible that it indicates not only her rebellion--and I'm not sure how Doyle would have thought about that--but his need for her to literally wear the pants.
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Date: 2010-05-15 06:46 am (UTC)& yes that could certainly be part of it, there is something of that "more than Just Some Woman" thing going on with her.
The way in which that was achieved still carries some interesting cultural signifiers, though! :D
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Date: 2010-05-15 07:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-15 08:53 am (UTC)And I think that, yes, it's partly a game to her, albeit a dangerous one. That doesn't actually preclude other motivations alongside. Then there's the statement that Irene Adler has "often taken advantage of the freedom that it [men's clothing] gives," which is open to all sorts of interpretations - certainly including though not limited to ones linked to a kind of emerging lesbian or female invert subculture. My point here is basically that I think crossdressing actually says as much as a portrayal of a loving relationship with a woman would have, or even more, because in that context loving relationships between women were far more normal, and considered quite pure and acceptable (admittedly more often between fairly upper class or upper middle class women), while the crossdresser was often linked to some kind of sexual deviation. Crossdressing is often the only way in which some kind of queer female identity can become historically visible, so I'm disinclined to let go of it as a marker, despite the inherent complications.
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Date: 2010-05-15 07:43 am (UTC)I also got the idea that she was an "honorary man" in a way, which makes sense when you consider that she would have to display "manly virtues" like strength and courage to rival Holmes; and she could not show the "feminine virtues" of modesty, obedience or chastity.
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Date: 2010-05-15 08:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-16 04:34 am (UTC)What I view as Garber's main point about Adler is that quite aside from cross-dressing in and of itself her career as an American contralto in Europe is "professionally lucrative and socially liminal." Moreover, a singer who has "retired from the stage" was essentially a kept woman; the fact that Irene dares to use that affair against the King is another sign of her refusal to conform to social expectations, I think.
For me the important point about Adler is that she does occupy a liminal position, and she uses it to play both ends against Holmes to her full advantage. My own impulse to read her as bisexual comes out of her position on the boundaries that we know definitively that she does cross; what's one more, essentially? (For the same reason I also consider it completely valid to read her as either black or mixed-race.)
Re: #2, Garber suggests that Irene's hailing from New Jersey is in reference to the actress Lillie Langtry, who was from Jersey in England, also a king's mistress, and a famous performer of Rosalind (who also cross-dresses).
And re: #4, I have to think that Doyle viewed Irene along the lines of an alluring threat (certainly Watson viewed her as a threat, period); the opening lines of SCAN call her "the late Irene Adler, of questionable memory" which might reference her being married but which I think means that she's dead, because I tend to be pessimistic about ACD as a progressive figure.
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Date: 2010-05-17 06:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-17 07:33 am (UTC)