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  <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:20:06 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Sherlock (BBC) thread</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, has everyone watched the BBC &quot;Sherlock&quot; that aired on Sunday night?  Consider this your thread for discussing queer themes in it.  Comments will undoubtedly contain spoilers!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Speaking for myself, I&apos;m halfway through it, and making high-pitched squeaking noises.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=7360&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:33:42 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>PSA of possible interest</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;oursin&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;oursin&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Perhaps relevant to the interests of this community:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lad&apos;s Love: An Anthology of Uranian Poetry and Prose&lt;/em&gt;, Vols. I and II, Edited by Michael Matthew Kaylor, new from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.valancourtbooks.com/index2.html&quot;&gt;Valancourt Books&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;These two volumes constitute the first substantial anthology of Uranian poetry and prose compiled since Men and Boys: An Anthology in 1924. It is a representative sampling of the diverse texts written by the English Uranians, ranging from William Johnson&apos;s Ionica (1858) to Samuel Elsworth Cottam&apos;s Cameos of Boyhood  (1930). Forty-seven writers of Uranian poetry and prose have been included in the two volumes of this anthology.  This anthology also includes a substantial new introduction by Michael Matthew Kaylor, editor of Valancourt&apos;s editions of Forrest Reid&apos;s The Garden God and Edward Perry Warren&apos;s A Defence of Uranian Love, as well as of the forthcoming edition of Reid&apos;s Tom Barber.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=7014&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:06:32 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Three useful books and one website</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;naraht&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://naraht.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://naraht.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;naraht&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a bunch of books out of the library now so there&apos;s more where this came from...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Website: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/wilde/wilde.htm&quot;&gt;The Trials of Oscar Wilde&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Includes some of Wilde&apos;s love letters, significant excerpts from his trials, and other resources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A quote from his testimony in the first criminal trial:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;G--What is the &quot;Love that dare not speak its name&quot;? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;W--&quot;The Love that dare not speak its name&quot; in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare.  It is that deep, spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect.  It dictates and pervades great works of art like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are.  It is in this century misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the &quot;Love that dare not speak its name,&quot; and on account of it I am placed where I am now.  It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection.  There is nothing unnatural about it.  It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the elder man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life before him.  That it should be so the world does not understand.  The world mocks at it and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting to note that Holmes/Watson *doesn&apos;t* quite fit his definition...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Merlin Holland. &lt;i&gt;The Real Trial of Oscar Wilde&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haven&apos;t read this yet but it&apos;s the full, uncensored transcript of the libel trial. Looks to be very useful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Karl Beckson. &lt;i&gt;London in the 1890s: A Cultural History&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Not an academic book but a good general guide to the major cultural and literary currents of the period. Includes chapters on socialism, prostitution, the New Woman, the cult of Wagner, the occult, and so on. Particularly relevant to this community&apos;s interests, there are also chapters on: Decadence, the Uranians, and Wilde&apos;s trials.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An interesting passage:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In the late 1880s and 1890s, there were many popular novels that, as one critic states, &quot;featured male duos and trios acting as collective heroes,&quot; the response to an increasing sense among men that &quot;their prowess [was] being threatened, rather than flattered, by women,&quot; who were increasingly asserting themselves. Such male companionships and solidarity were celebrated in &lt;i&gt;King Solomon&apos;s Mines&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Three Men in a Boat&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;A Study in Scarlet&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Trilby&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Dracula&lt;/i&gt;. Because of the Wilde trials, WT Stead feared that such emotional relationships between men would be suspected as homosexual. To Edward Carpenter [!], he wrote: &quot;A few more cases like Oscar Wilde and we should find the freedom of comradeship now possible to men seriously impaired to the permanent detriment of the race.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oliver S. Buckton. &lt;i&gt;Secret Selves: Confession and Same-Sex Desire in Victorian Autobiography&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Really fascinating book on how the practice of secrecy in writing can reveal what seems to be concealed and conceal what seems to be revealed. Chapters on Newman, Wilde, Symonds, Carpenter and (in an epilogue) Forster. Writers of first person Holmes/Watson could find this very useful in terms of thinking about how Victorian authors conceptualized and wrote about same-sex desire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=6880&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:18:12 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>jm barrie = queer?</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;geeksdoitbetter&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap; text-decoration: line-through;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://geeksdoitbetter.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://geeksdoitbetter.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;geeksdoitbetter&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i watched Finding Neverland over the weekend&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;there&apos;s an unnamed character with only one scene, where he explains to barrie that everyone thinks barrie&apos;s relationship to the Davies boys is ... problematic&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;in the commentary, the film makers point out the character was meant to be conan doyle and then they try to defend barrie&apos;s moral uprightness by saying &quot;he wasn&apos;t at all a pedophile, if anything, he was asexual&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~sigh~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;anyone have more of a clue?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i&apos;m interested in barrie&apos;s relationship with doyle&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;as well as potential interpretations of barrie as closeted queer rather than the stereotypical slander of pedophile&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(and, if this post is inappropriate for this comm, please let me know. i check the rules and i&apos;m hoping i made a proper choice)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=6493&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 01:58:41 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Rec &amp; review: Their Majesties&apos; Bucketeers</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;starlady&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://starlady.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://starlady.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;starlady&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a follow up to &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://spacefall.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://spacefall.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;spacefall&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/5881.html&quot;&gt;fandom books post&lt;/a&gt;, I&apos;d like to rec (and hopefully discuss!) a fandom book that actually does manage to queer Holmes pretty thoroughly. By making Holmes a trilaterally symmetrical trisexual sentient crustacean, that is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I&apos;m not making this up. The book in question is &lt;em&gt;Their Majesties&apos; Bucketeers&lt;/em&gt; by L. Neil Smith, and I don&apos;t think I&apos;m going too far out on a limb to say that everyone in this community would probably find it fascinating if only for the Holmes AU aspects. It&apos;s pretty awesome on most levels: depending on your point of view, this book is either a science fiction novel depicting a society of trilaterally symmetrical trisexual sentient crustaceans in the rough equivalent to Britain&apos;s Edwardian period, or it&apos;s a professionally published Sherlock Holmes OT3 AU.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I first heard about this book from &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://melannen.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://melannen.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;melannen&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://melannen.dreamwidth.org/79796.html&quot;&gt;this long post about subordinate Holmes canons&lt;/a&gt;, and all in all Smith does not disappoint (though I ought to warn for colonialism and libertarianism in the background). (The following text is c&amp;amp;p&apos;d from &lt;a href=&quot;http://starlady.dreamwidth.org/325792.html&quot;&gt;my longer review of the book&lt;/a&gt; here, with some discussion of queer and transgender experiences in this setup in the comments.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our narrator is Mymy (Mymisiir Offe Woom, to give rher full name), the surdaughter of the Empire&apos;s first surmale surgeon; rhe aspires to follow in rher surfather&apos;s footsteps, and has elected to join Their Majesties&apos; Bucketeers to train as a paracauterist to that end. Mymy is quite proud of rher achievements in joining the Bucketeers, and in being rher surfather&apos;s child: deservedly so, given the gender-based discrimination surmales confront daily and the barriers that rher family&apos;s upper-middle class insistence on &amp;quot;decency&amp;quot; also present. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Bucketeers Mymy meets Mav, a brilliant Senior Inquisitor who is beginning to devise not only crime scene investigation techniques but also the science of detection, though Mav (a two-thirds-caste ex-Air Navy officer who nonetheless enjoys an unassailable social position in Imperial society) clashes often with his superior officers&apos;s traditionalism. When Mav&apos;s old friend and teacher Srafen, the devisor of the theory of ascension, is murdered at a public lecture, Mav seizes the chance to put his theories and ideas about detection to the test, with Mymy&apos;s help. Along the way Mymy meets Mav&apos;s friend Vyssu, a true original who has come up from the capital&apos;s mean streets through an unbeatable combination of luck and ingenuity, and comes to value her for her own sake as well. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&apos;s hugely interesting to see Smith redistribute the traits of the major canonical Conan Doyle characters (Holmes, Watson, Morstan, Adler) amongst his crustaceans; to take just one example it&apos;s Mav who has the limp, because he&apos;s the one who served in a colonial war, because females don&apos;t join the military, period, and surmales only serve in the medical branches. It&apos;s also hugely interesting to consider what the lamviin&apos;s trisexuality means, for society and for queerness; Smith does a decent job of teasing its repercussions out despite the book&apos;s brevity, but of course there&apos;s always more to say. In the end, of course, one can&apos;t help but draw comparisons with humanity, which is definitely part of the point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=6237&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:15:01 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>A couple of links of possible relevance</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;oursin&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;oursin&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;An article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/24/polari-language-origins&quot;&gt;polari&lt;/a&gt; (which one feels Holmes would have been familiar with in its late C19th version, even if he didn&apos;t use it himself).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;A digital version of John Addington Symonds&apos; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/32588&quot;&gt;A Problem in Modern Ethics being an inquiry into the phenomenon of sexual inversion, addressed especially to Medical Psychologists and Jurists&lt;/a&gt; has recently been made available via Project Gutenberg, which has already done the same with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/32022&quot;&gt;A Problem in Greek Ethics, Being an inquiry into the phenomenon of sexual inversion&lt;/a&gt;. Sean Brady (author of &lt;em&gt;Masculinity and Male Homosexuality in Britain, 1861 - 1913&lt;/em&gt;) is said to be producing a critical edition of Symonds&apos; essays on homosexuality, but I don&apos;t think this has yet appeared.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=6018&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 23:44:16 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Some Fannish Books</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;spacefall&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://spacefall.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://spacefall.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;spacefall&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Following on from a trip OT on a previous thread, here are a few fannish books that touch on the subject of Holmes/Watson, sexuality, gender, etc...and I do mean &apos;touch&apos; as mainstream fandom has been violently allergic to approaching the topic seriously. :p In no particular order...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;cut-wrapper&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;display: none;&quot; id=&quot;span-cuttag___1&quot; class=&quot;cuttag&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b class=&quot;cut-open&quot;&gt;(&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b class=&quot;cut-text&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/5881.html#cutid1&quot;&gt;Read more...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b class=&quot;cut-close&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;display: none;&quot; id=&quot;div-cuttag___1&quot; aria-live=&quot;assertive&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;As a relevant PS&lt;/b&gt;: one story considered part of the Holmes &apos;apocrypha&apos; may be of interest. Doyle&apos;s &quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Man_with_the_Watches&quot;&gt;The Man With The Watches&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&quot; makes only the most oblique reference to Holmes, but the mystery has a strong queer subtext for many readers. At a gay comics panel in 2008, David Shenton mentioned that it was one of the best gay stories he&apos;d read recently. The story was written after The Final Problem, when Doyle had apparently &apos;killed&apos; Holmes for good and all. Best described as &apos;bloody sad&apos;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=5881&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 17:21:05 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>A bit of fun...</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a lighter note in re: &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/5195.html&quot;&gt;print publication of queer Holmesiana&lt;/a&gt;, please propose articles you would like to read, or which at least amuse you to contemplate.  The more overblown and faux-academic the title, the better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;ll kick it off with:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Worth a Wound: Penetration and Metaphor in the Holmes Canon&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;The small print: suggesting a title does not in any way obligate you, or any other person, to write the article in question.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=5459&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 15:57:34 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Queering Holmes: The Book... Zine... Journal... Thingy.</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I started this community, it was because &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;lotesse&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and I had been talking a lot about how frustrating it was not to find any books/journals/articles talking about the sorts of things we wanted to read about: Holmes and queerness and gender and subtext and context and yada yada.  And as we were talking about it, we came up with the crackpot idea of starting our own Sherlockian Journal to talk about those issues, or maybe of trying to write something for Transformative Works and Cultures or talk them into doing a Sherlock Holmes issue, or... well, we didn&apos;t really know what, but &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then I remembered that my friend &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://brainwane.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://brainwane.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;brainwane&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and her partner had done a project last year called &lt;a href=&quot;http://thoughtcrime.crummy.com/2009/&quot;&gt;Thoughtcrime Experiments&lt;/a&gt;.  Basically they edited and self-published a short story anthology so that they would get to see the sorts of stuff they wanted in print.  They wrote all about their process in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://thoughtcrime.crummy.com/2009/AppendixA.html&quot;&gt;appendix&lt;/a&gt; to the book, with a step by step guide to doing a similar project yourself if you should want to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We want to.  But we weren&apos;t sure whether anyone else would think it was that good an idea or not, so I said, why don&apos;t we set up a DW community and see whether anyone else is interested in the queer aspects of Sherlock Holmes? Which we did, and here we are, and I think we can fairly safely say that people are interested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, now I guess I just wanted to raise the idea of a book/zine/journal/thingy on the same sort of subject area as this community, and using a similar process to the one outlined in the Thoughtcrime Experiments appendix linked above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do you think?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=5195&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 21:47:07 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Science, medicine, sexual identity and sex reform in the later C19th</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;oursin&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;oursin&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://kindkit.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://kindkit.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;kindkit&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; expressed an interest in hearing something about the medicalisation of homosexuality in the Victorian era, and I offered to oblige.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thinking it over, I was not entirely sure that what was happening was medicalisation, because the vast majority of doctors Did Not Want To Know About Icky Sex Stuff of any description (as delineated in an article which is unfortunately not accessible online, L A Hall, &apos;&quot;The English Have Hot Water Bottles&quot;: the morganatic marriage between the British medical profession and sexology since William Acton&apos; in &lt;em&gt;Sexual knowledge, sexual science: the history of attitudes to sexuality&lt;/em&gt;, edited by Roy Porter and Mikulas Teich, Cambridge University Press, 1994).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;True, some of them were approaching the subject of male homosexuality via e.g. forensic medicine, venereology and psychiatric practice. I find that Ivan Crozier&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1044698/&quot;&gt;&apos;The Medical Construction of Homosexuality and its Relation to the Law in Nineteenth-Century England&apos;&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Medical History&lt;/em&gt;, 45, 2001 is freely available via PubMed, and while I do find some of Crozier&apos;s work in this area a bit problematic, this is quite a useful contextualisation of the background to Havelock Ellis&apos; work. (Crozier has recently published a critical edition of Ellis&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Sexual Inversion&lt;/em&gt;. I haven&apos;t read the published version.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, I think a plausible case can be made that what was going on over the course of the C19th was an endeavour by men who identified as homosexual (or &apos;inverted&apos; or &apos;Uranian&apos;) to use the resources of science and medicine to construct same-sex desire as &lt;em&gt;a part of nature&lt;/em&gt;, a natural thing, rather than &apos;against nature&apos; or an &apos;unnatural offence&apos;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;There&apos;s a useful website on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebration2000/&quot;&gt;Karl Ulrichs&lt;/a&gt;, the pioneer of this approach.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;For more on the thinking that was developing in continental Europe, see Harry Oosterhuis, &lt;em&gt;Stepchildren of Nature: Krafft-Ebing, Psychiatry and the Making of Sexual Identity&lt;/em&gt;, University of Chicago Press, 2000. Krafft-Ebing&apos;s famous or notorious &lt;em&gt;Psychopathia Sexualis&lt;/em&gt; was available in English translation from the early 1890s. I can&apos;t recall whether either Watson or Holmes are said to be able to read German (although in Nicholas Meyer&apos;s &lt;em&gt;The Seven Per Cent Solution&lt;/em&gt;, 1974, movie 1976, Watson takes Holmes to Vienna so that Freud can cure his cocaine habit, I&apos;m not sure of the canonicity of Watson&apos;s acquaintance with cutting-edge Continental ideas): there were other works in German e.g. those of Albert Moll. Also some French works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would not think it entirely improbable that H&amp;W could have got hold of John Addington Symonds&apos; &lt;em&gt;A Problem in Greek Ethics&lt;/em&gt; (1873/1883) and &lt;em&gt;A Problem in Modern Ethics&lt;/em&gt; (1891) - although Symonds had these privately printed and disseminated them carefully they were rapidly pirated. Or Edward Carpenter&apos;s 1894 &lt;em&gt;Homogenic Love: and its Place in a Free Society&lt;/em&gt; (which was left out when the series of essays of which it was part was published as &lt;em&gt;Love&apos;s Coming of Age&lt;/em&gt;, 1896, though added back into later editions). But these were men of letters/social reformers, even if they were using various scientific studies and theories to support their arguments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think H&amp;W might very well have acquired a copy of Havelock Ellis&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Sexual Inversion&lt;/em&gt;, 1897, possibly even the original edition with Symonds as co-author, which his executors had pulled from sale and destroyed and rewritten to keep Symonds&apos; name out of it out of respect for his widow and children. Ellis was a doctor, but had qualified essentially to give himself cred when researching the psychology of sex, which he considered his life&apos;s work. He had a massive knowledge of the contemporary and historical literature on the subject.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;What all these were about was toleration and acceptance for the wide diversity of human emotions and affections. I.e not fixing, not curing, but destigmatising and decriminalising. (Krafft-Ebing was a signatory to the petition to repeal the relevant section of the German Penal Code.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m not sure anyone&apos;s looked at this in much detail, but my own feeling is that the upsurge of medical attempts to &apos;cure&apos;, whether by hypnosis, hormone treatments, various psychiatric therapies, etc, really only starts manifesting in the C20th, possibly not even until after the Great War (I don&apos;t think courts were recommending psychiatric evaluation/treatment until maybe the 1930s, and then only sporadically). It&apos;s a while since I&apos;ve read Forster&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Maurice&lt;/em&gt;, but as I recollect his family GP totally poohpoohs the idea that a chap like Maurice could be &apos;an unspeakable of the Oscar Wilde sort&apos; and tells him to go and have a prostitute (this was certainly one thing that was anecdotally prescribed). Though I think he also sees a hypnotist, without much success?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope this is some help.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=5003&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 22:16:31 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Book Rec: Slumming by Seth Koven + two more</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;spacefall&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://spacefall.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://spacefall.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;spacefall&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing that fascinates me about Holmes is his sometimes cracky use of disguise, and the ease with which he slips across social boundaries. By transforming from professional consultant to idler, opium addict or clergyman, he manages to penetrate almost every class of London society. Probably the most famous of his disguises are those in which Holmes adopts a &apos;lower class&apos; role to undo criminals who would consider themselves his betters. Satisfying ... though perhaps more in a spirit of practicality than pure egalitarianism, if his seduction of Agatha in CHAS is anything to go by. :p&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anywho...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Slumming : sexual and social politics in Victorian London by Seth Koven&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;cut-wrapper&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;display: none;&quot; id=&quot;span-cuttag___1&quot; class=&quot;cuttag&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b class=&quot;cut-open&quot;&gt;(&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b class=&quot;cut-text&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/4624.html#cutid1&quot;&gt;Read more...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b class=&quot;cut-close&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;display: none;&quot; id=&quot;div-cuttag___1&quot; aria-live=&quot;assertive&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=4624&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 00:51:55 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(How much am I loving these discussion threads? THIS MUCH! If you have any more ideas for interesting discussion topics, post them in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html&quot;&gt;discussion prompt gathering thread&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a spin-off discussion that came up in comments on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2985.html&quot;&gt;H/W pairing as type or trope&lt;/a&gt; post from a week or so back.  You can see the comment thread &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2985.html?thread=30377#cmt30377&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://ingridmatthews.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://ingridmatthews.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;ingridmatthews&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Book!Canon Watson admits that he is of &apos;a Bohemian mind&apos;, considering himself an writer/artist first, doctor/soldier/husband second. His life with Holmes is considered an exercise in classic Bohemianism, at least to Watson. His attachment to Holmes is partly due to his rejection of rigid male roles, making him queerly delicious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;To be a classic Victorian Bohemian is to place oneself outside of conventions that are supposed to control your life from the moment of waking to what you wear to sleep. For him to self-identify as one is a big thing, at least from my understanding of the movement, which stresses independent thought, rejection of social mores and stress on intellectual arts over appearances (which were *everything* to a Victorian).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Holmes is described as a perfect Bohemian because his use of his vast intellect is his art. (Being a big old drug addict, social disaster and slob probably added to the effect. ;) Watson may be more concerned than Holmes about his standing in society, but like wrabbit said above, there is a little something about him that simply doesn&apos;t fit into the Victorian puzzle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do we know about bohemianism in the late 19th century?  Can anyone recommend things to read on the subject?  (I&apos;ll mention Cook&apos;s &quot;London and the Subculture of Homosexuality&quot;, which has a couple of chapters on on Wilde, decadence, aestheticism, bohemianism, Paris, etc.)  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To what extent did Holmes and/or Watson actually fit the bohemian stereotype?  Does their bohemianism signal queerness?  Is that something that readers of the time would have picked up on (think of the publicity around the Wilde trials)?  Is Holmes&apos;s bohemianism/outsiderness important to his role as detective?  And what on earth does Mrs Hudson think?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Discuss!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=4479&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 20:46:18 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>And on male impersonators</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;oursin&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;oursin&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/may/13/cross-dressing-women-musical-theatre&quot;&gt;Ladies as gentlemen: the cross-dressing women of Edwardian musical theatre&lt;/a&gt; in today&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Guardian&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=4300&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 19:38:40 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Changes in Sherlock Holmes fandom over time</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, this came up in a sub-thread on the asexuality post, and was threatening to get pretty tangential/deraily, so I thought it was worth creating a new post for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sherlock Holmes fandom goes back a very long way, of course.  And people have been writing H/W slash for a long time, too.  Now we have this new movie, there&apos;s a whole new generation coming to the fandom who don&apos;t have experience with the older phases of the fandom, and while there is a lot of interesting stuff coming out of the newer fans&apos; engagement with the canon, there are also older fans &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1235661.html&quot;&gt;shaking their walking sticks&lt;/a&gt; at those kids on their lawn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, I&apos;m fascinated by older Sherlock Holmes fandom even if I don&apos;t feel very much a part of it.  I&apos;d be interested in hearing from anyone who was involved with Holmes fandom in its earlier/older incarnations -- any of the Sherlockian societies, or zine-based slash fandom, or mailing lists, or even LJ/DW fandom prior to the 2009 movie -- about your experiences and the changes you&apos;ve seen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And to bring it round to the subject of this comm, I&apos;m especially interested in talking about how different groups or generations of Sherlock Holmes have addressed his (potential) queerness.  Obviously it&apos;s changed over time -- we can have another go-round on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hwslash.net/stout.html&quot;&gt;Watson Was a Woman&lt;/a&gt; thing and whether or not Stout was really trying to point out Holmes and Watson&apos;s queerness, if you like, and if anyone has any other pointers to older Sherlockiana on gender/sexuality issues I would love to know about them!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for fic-writing fandom, I know when I read older H/W slash online I find it has a different aesthetic and different tropes than modern LJ/DW-centred slash fandom commonly uses.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://fanlore.org/wiki/WNGWJLEO&quot;&gt;We&apos;re Not Gay, We Just Love Each Other&lt;/a&gt; is part of it, for sure.  I feel like slash fandom has really changed the way we address homosexuality in recent years, based on the fic I&apos;ve read.  We seem much more likely to show our characters having had previous homosexual experiences, or being happily and openly bisexual, or being connected to a homosexual subculture, or being non-heteronormative in other ways (genderqueer/transgendered, asexual, kinky, etc.)  At least, I *think* we&apos;re more likely to do that... am I missing stuff from the older fic, and if so, where can I find the fic that talks about these things?  And, is this happening because newer generations of fans are more likely to be queer, more likely to be out as queer, more likely to be used to discussing and dissecting queerness online?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bringing in another post that I found this morning (&lt;a href=&quot;http://cofax7.dreamwidth.org/730644.html?thread=9990420#cmt9990420&quot;&gt;via&lt;/a&gt;), by &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://obsession-inc.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://obsession-inc.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;obsession_inc&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; on the subjection of &quot;Affirmational&quot; vs &quot;Transformational&quot; fandom, do you think Holmes fandom is shifting from affirmational to transformational, and is that a generational shift?  (I like obsession_inc&apos;s observation that &quot;fixing&quot; the story so that our beloved characters have sex is one of the most common forms of transformation.)  I found myself pointing at obsession_inc&apos;s post and saying YES THIS and I know I&apos;m going to be pointing to it a lot in future because it resonates very strongly with me, and I&apos;m definitely feeling that resonance in what I see of Sherlock Holmes fandom in its various incarnations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do you think?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;ETA:&lt;/b&gt; I know we&apos;re getting linked pretty regularly in LJ comms like &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;http://holmesian-news.livejournal.com/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif&apos; alt=&apos;[livejournal.com profile] &apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; width=&apos;16&apos; height=&apos;16&apos;/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;http://holmesian-news.livejournal.com/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;holmesian_news&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, so if anyone comes in from there and would like a DW account to comment on posts here (or post your own), here are three invite codes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SYMVMRXY9SGCNAAADRN7&lt;br /&gt;ARHCWS7ZK2V66AAADRN8&lt;br /&gt;3AKGFN8AF8B5XAAADRN9&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=4017&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 08:57:34 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Irene Adler&apos;s crossdressing and - bisexuality?</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;ilthit&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://ilthit.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://ilthit.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;ilthit&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;This post is based on a suggestion in the &lt;a style=&quot;color: rgb(85, 34, 0); &quot; href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html&quot;&gt;discussion prompt gathering thread&lt;/a&gt;, which is still taking suggestions for new discussions if you have them.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, here goes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://marshtide.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://marshtide.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;marshtide&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;  said: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;margin-left: 40px; &quot;&gt;Kind of following on from the general stuff about queer womanhood that&apos;s being discussed at the moment, I&apos;d love some more specific discussion of Irene Adler as a possible bisexual character.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some commenting re: sexual preference vs gender expression and &amp;quot;sex inversion&amp;quot; followed. The thread is &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html?thread=42916#cmt42916&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I&apos;m better at making associations and connections than conclusions, but here are some subjects I&apos;d love to see discussed:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) If Victorian sexologists conflated of sexuality and gender, i.e., a woman who wants women is like a man, would that also work as a woman who is like a man necessarily wanting women? There were popular stories of women dressing up as boys for practical reasons or to follow their male lovers, like Viola in Twelfth Night, Fidelio and&amp;nbsp;Sweet Polly Oliver, but on the other hand people would also be aware of the legend of the bisexual La Maupin for example. Also see point #3.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) Do you think Irene Adler may have been inspired by scandalous 19th century crossdressing women? I&apos;m thinking of George Sand.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) Have some c&lt;a href=&quot;http://superitch.com/?p=5145&quot;&gt;aricatures of women&apos;s rights activists wearing trousers and &amp;quot;reducing&amp;quot; their husbands to the role of the wife.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4) Pornographers were certainly aware of woman-on-woman sex acts, and I vaguely remember (sorry, I have not prepared this post)&amp;nbsp;reading an excerpt of a courtesan advising a recruit to playfully put on a man&apos;s jacket and hat to arouse her client. I&apos;ve also seen an erotic drawing of a woman in trousers with her excited male lover saying &amp;quot;Miss, may I help you with your trousers?&amp;quot; and the cover of a turn of the century magazine where a beaming man is surrounded by a crowd of women in jackets and trousers, boasting &amp;quot;bifurcated girls&amp;quot;. That was in The History of Girly Magazines, and the text claimed that women in trousers were quite naughty because it clearly showed that women had legs. Hum. So, does anyone know if there was a lesbian subculture that engaged in crossdressing or if this would have been more of a game for male-servicing brothels? What do you think Doyle was referencing with the character?&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5) Could Irene or her fellow female (real and imagined) gender rebels from the era compare to modern genderqueer identities? There&apos;s no way of knowing which of the many &amp;quot;women&amp;quot; caught &amp;quot;dressing like a man&amp;quot; throughout the history would now be identified as trans men, and how many were in it for the benefits, or could fall into some other category of trans.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, do you think her crossdressing closer related to &amp;quot;sex inversion&amp;quot; and lesbianism, female liberation, gender rebellion or straight titillation - or other, or all of the above?&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br type=&quot;_moz&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=3658&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 06:36:01 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Asexual Holmes?</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;This post is based on a suggestion in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html&quot;&gt;discussion prompt gathering thread&lt;/a&gt;, which is still taking suggestions for new discussions if you have them.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://melannen.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://melannen.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;melannen&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html?thread=40868#cmt40868&quot;&gt;suggested&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;How about Holmes as asexual, in the context of queer readings of Holmes, modern asexual identities, and the ways previous commentators have used asexuality to refute his queerness?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&apos;t really have much to add to that, other than a resounding YES.  There&apos;s a lot to talk about here -- Holmes&apos;s behaviour in canon, how we interpret it, whether asexuality is a form of queerness in itself, the co-existence of asexuality with hetero- or homo-romanticism.  &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://ilthit.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://ilthit.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;ilthit&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; had some comments in the suggestions thread, &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html?thread=44452#cmt44452&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, which are also worth quoting:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I&apos;ve been trying to write Holmes/Watson fic and I&apos;m finding it extremely difficult, because any way I play it Holmes turns out to be an asexual. Even if we assume he&apos;s asexual and aromantic by choice, having rejected sensuality on intellectual grounds, that doesn&apos;t make his asexuality any less legit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I got no further than positing Holmes and Watson as a couple in love that doesn&apos;t have sex or talk about being in love, having it merely tacitly understood, with Holmes as a repressed bisexual rather than naturally asexual and Watson as a healthy sensualist who used to consider himself heteroromantic (though he wouldn&apos;t use that word of course) before Holmes. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you agree?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you&apos;re interested in finding out more about modern asexual identities, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asexuality.org/home/&quot;&gt;AVEN&lt;/a&gt; is a good place to start.  There&apos;s also &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://asexual-fandom.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png&apos; alt=&apos;[community profile] &apos; width=&apos;16&apos; height=&apos;16&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://asexual-fandom.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;asexual_fandom&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; here on DW.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=3408&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:40 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Queer womanhood in the late C19th</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;oursin&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://oursin.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;oursin&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;(Forgot to mention, this is in response to suggestions on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html&quot;&gt;Discussion Prompt Thread&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;What did it mean for a woman or women to be &apos;queer&apos; in late C19th Britain? Given that it was seen as natural and normal and even admirable for women in a largely homosocial world to have deep and romantically expressed devotions to other women and an appreciation of feminine charms?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The &apos;New Woman&apos;  - moving out of that world (sometimes on a bicycle, sometimes not). Seeking new transformed relationships with men. E.g. Olive Schreiner, the South African novelist, walking the streets of London at night having passionate arguments about philosophy and politics with her male friends, and nearly getting arrested as a prostitute on at least one occasion. Edith Lanchester, who did a science degree at University College London, was a member of the Marxist Social Democratic Federation (and at one point worked as Eleanor Marx&apos;s secretary), and decided to live in free union with a male comrade. Her middle class professional family, possibly as much appalled by the fact that he was a railway clerk as by the living in sin aspect, promptly had her certified as insane and taken to The Priory (whence, happy ending, she was soon released through prompt and effective action by her comrades).  The vociferous campaigners against the double standard of sexual morality (&apos;these women are worse than prostitutes&apos;). The women who thought that they should be informed about the existence of and the dangers posed by sexually transmitted diseases. Women who were birth control advocates (hai, Annie Besant!) Etc etc. In context, in &lt;em&gt;Dracula&lt;/em&gt;, Mina is perhaps queerer for being a self-supporting career woman with workplace skills than for having a devoted female friendship with Lucy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, there were women who had emotions towards other women and were involved in relationships that would, I think, be on the lesbian rather than the devoted friendship end of the spectrum. Specific individuals: Mary Benson (wife of Edward Benson, Archbishop of Canterbury); Amy Levy, poet and novelist; Vernon Lee, pseudonym of Violet Paget, writer on aesthetics and art history; &apos;Michael Field&apos; (Katherine Harris Bradley) and her niece and ward Edith Emma Cooper), collaborative poet; the novelists Somerville and Ross, Edith Lees Ellis, novelist, writer and lecturer on social questions, wife of Havelock Ellis, friend of Edward Carpenter. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;These were all fairly privileged women (except Edith Lees Ellis), and we have much less sense of non-middle class women and their relationships. However, Alison Oram&apos;s book &lt;em&gt;Her Husband Was A Woman&lt;/em&gt;, although it is about cross-dressing women in the C20th, does include material that sheds light on the C19th, including some discussion of the very popular male impersonators of the music halls. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;NB it wasn&apos;t illegal to be a lesbian in the UK (the first time sexual activity between women was featured in legislation was 1956), and it was not a matrimonial offence for the purposes of divorce. And there was absolutely no reason why anyone would have thought of including it in the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885, so it really wasn&apos;t omitted by Royal decree. Srsly. But this is one reason why it&apos;s so much less visible and studied than male homosexuality at the period - no legal records and no aghast newspaper reports. Which also relates to the fact that if it was happening, it was happening in private spaces rather than in public spaces  where it was potentially visible to other people, or at least to the police.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Suggestions for reading:&lt;br /&gt;Lilian Faderman&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Surpassing the Love of Men: Romantic Friendship and Love between Women from the Renaissance to the Present&lt;/em&gt; (1981) remains a classic, even if subsequent scholars have nuanced her arguments.&lt;br /&gt;Rebecca Jennings, &lt;em&gt;A Lesbian History of Britain: Love and Sex Between Women Since 1500&lt;/em&gt; (2007). This is very much a work of synthesis, and I found it a bit superficial, but it is actually a useful guide to the territory and the literature.&lt;br /&gt;Martha Vicinus, &lt;em&gt;Intimate Friends: Women Who Loved Women, 1778-1 928&lt;/em&gt; (2004) deals largely with women who enjoyed privilege and resources (e.g. were able to live in the supportive community of women artists and writers in Rome!) but has some very interesting analysis of the ways in which these women conceptualised their relationships, drawing on letters, diaries, etc.&lt;br /&gt;Sharon Marcus, &lt;em&gt;Between Women: Friendship, Desire, and Marriage in Victorian England&lt;/em&gt; (2007). I found some of the chapters a bit problematic, but there is some remarkably acute and provocative stuff in this book, including the observation that Victorian novels, not to mention letters, diaries and memoirs, have women being romantically devoted right up front and without delving into the subtext.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&apos;ve already mention Oram&apos;s book on cross-dressers. There are also biographies of several of  the women I&apos;ve mentioned. Not yet seen, but sounds interesting: Jill R. Ehnenn, &lt;em&gt;Women&apos;s Literary Collaboration, Queerness, and Late-Victorian Culture&lt;/em&gt; (2009) (wicked expensive)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Useful on New Women more generally: Martha Vicinus, &lt;em&gt;Independent Women: Work and Community for Single Women&lt;/em&gt; (1985), 1850-1920  Judith Walkowitz, &lt;em&gt;City of Dreadful Delight&lt;/em&gt; (1992), and Lucy Bland, &lt;em&gt;Banishing the Beast: English feminism and sexual morality, 1880-1914&lt;/em&gt; (1995). Unfortunately a lot of New Woman scholarship is heavily based on literary texts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;On new definitions of &apos;the lesbian&apos; or &apos;female invert&apos;, the classic sexological texts are Krafft-Ebing&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Psychopathia Sexualis&lt;/em&gt;, numerous and ever expanding editions from 1886, Havelock Ellis, &lt;em&gt;Sexual Inversion&lt;/em&gt; (1897) and Edward Carpenter, &lt;em&gt;Love&apos;s Coming of Age&lt;/em&gt; (1897) and &lt;em&gt;The Intermediate Sex&lt;/em&gt; (1909). But all contain far more about male homosexuality. And because of the theory of &apos;inversion&apos; with which they were working, can just about get their heads around butch-presenting lesbians (or at least those who demonstrate various markers associated with masculinity), but couldn&apos;t quite see, or analytically account for, more femme versions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=3080&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 16:57:37 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Holmes/Watson - the pairing as type or trope</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;This post is riffing off &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://wrabbit.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://wrabbit.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;wrabbit&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html?thread=21412#cmt21412&quot;&gt;suggestion&lt;/a&gt; in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/2724.html&quot;&gt;discussion prompt gathering thread&lt;/a&gt;, which is still taking suggestions for new discussions if you have them.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Holmes and Watson weren&apos;t the first detective/sidekick duo, but they were one of the earliest pairs to achieve enormous popularity.  Since then, similar pairings/duos have become a recognisable type in pop culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What are the distinctive traits of the Holmes/Watson pairing? Who are some of the more recent pairings/duos that draw on H/W?  &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://wrabbit.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://wrabbit.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;wrabbit&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; mentions House and Wilson, of course, but it seems to me that the very common pairing of an exceptional/brilliant and possibly anti-social hero with a partner who&apos;s a stabilising influence or a source of exposition or both, owes a lot to H/W.  There are plenty of detective duos, of course, especially on television.  When wrabbit posted her comment I thought of Jim/Blair from the Sentinel (a police detective with an academic partner), and then last night, watching Hornblower with a friend, I realised that Archie is a bit of a Watson in a way: he exists in the TV canon to make Hornblower less solitary and internal and help the story move along, is Horatio&apos;s best friend with whom he shares everything, and is loyal and straightforward to Horatio&apos;s awkward brilliance.  C. S. Forester didn&apos;t originally write Archie as a partner for Horatio in the book series, and Bush (who shows up later in the chronology of the series) doesn&apos;t fit the H/W pairing mold at all, but perhaps by the 90s when the TV writers came to develop Archie as Horatio&apos;s partner, that type of pairing had become more standardised?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;H/W has also been called the archetypal slash pairing and the first slash fandom (btw, does anyone know whether anyone was actually publishing H/W slash in zines before Star Trek slash came along?)  If the H/W pairing is a discernable &quot;type&quot;, is that type inherently slashy or queer?  How many H/W-influenced pairings have considerable slash followings?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=2985&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 19:37:06 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Discussion prompt gathering</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over on &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://podficmeta.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png&apos; alt=&apos;[community profile] &apos; width=&apos;16&apos; height=&apos;16&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://podficmeta.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;podficmeta&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; they did something for 3W4DW that I think might work well here.  One of the moderators, &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://zvi.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://zvi.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;zvi&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://podficmeta.dreamwidth.org/8500.html&quot;&gt;posted&lt;/a&gt; asking people to suggest things they&apos;d like to have discussed on the community.  So, I&apos;m going to do the same, lifting most of the phrasing from her post ;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Please comment to this post if there&apos;s a discussion you&apos;d like to see happen on this community. If you have a full fledged entry, you can tell me that you&apos;d like to do the posting. If you just have an idea you&apos;d be okay with me riffing on, say that and I will.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;ll then post top-level posts prompting discussion on the subjects suggested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=2724&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 05:40:52 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Book review: Graham Robb, &quot;Strangers: Homosexual love in the nineteenth century&quot;</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I know a handful of people here have been reading this book, and I figured at least one of us had probably better write a review, so here&apos;s mine :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Graham Robb, &quot;Strangers: Homosexual love in the nineteenth century&quot;, W. W. Norton &amp; Co, 2004.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/039302038X&quot;&gt;Amazon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bookdepository.com/search?searchTerm=graham+robb+strangers&amp;amp;search=search&quot;&gt;Book Depository&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=graham+robb&amp;amp;sts=t&amp;amp;tn=strangers&amp;amp;x=57&amp;amp;y=17&quot;&gt;Abebooks&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=y585w4K5SgwC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;dq=graham+robb+strangers&amp;amp;ei=1QXhS96ZN6eCkASYjvXVCw&amp;amp;cd=1#v=onepage&amp;amp;q&amp;amp;f=false&quot;&gt;Google Books&lt;/a&gt; (partial), &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldcat.org/title/strangers-homosexual-love-in-the-nineteenth-century/oclc/53223724&amp;amp;referer=brief_results&quot;&gt;Worldcat&lt;/a&gt; (public libraries)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Strangers&quot; is one of the best books I&apos;ve read about gay history.  It&apos;s more international in flavour, has more to say about lesbians (which is admittedly still not a whole lot), and is more optimistic than anything else of it&apos;s kind that I&apos;ve read.  Its tone is extremely readable, but there are extensive end-notes and what looks like a pretty comprehensive bibliography of works cited. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book is divided into three parts.  The first part talks about the legal and medical background and about the scandal of &quot;outings&quot;.  The second part talks about homosexual lives and homosexual subcultures in various places.  The third part talks about gay literature and how homosexual people in the 19th century found reflections themselves in various texts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the chapter on the legal/judicial  side of things, Robb looks at arrests, prosecutions, and convictions for buggery/indecency/etc... and then asks us to throw all that away, because there weren&apos;t all that many really, and it was far less important than you might think.  He points out that we place undue emphasis on it because legal reports are such an easy source of information, but that the actual incidence of court cases was pretty minor relative to the population.  Charts (in the appendix) show the number of convictions in the UK per 100k of population, from 1800 to 2000.  The figures run around 1 conviction per 100k of population per year through the 19th century, then steadily grow through the 20th, peak around 16/100k/year in the mid 1950s, and are still hovering around 10/100k/year in 2000.  That is, you were approximately 10 times as likely to be convicted of buggery or a related homosexual offense a decade ago as you were in the Victorian era.  He points out that the Wilde trials belong more properly (culturally speaking) to the 20th century than the 19th.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having more or less set aside the &quot;easy&quot; (but negative) sources of information in part 1, part 2 is a much more pleasant read.  Lots of cute anecdotes, accounts of people&apos;s lives and relationships, excerpts from letters, etc.  I found it kind of fluffily interesting but it didn&apos;t make me think much.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Part 3, talking about gay literature, will be of particular interest to Sherlock Holmes fans as it talks about how homosexual people, in the absence of explicit depictions of their type, will read for subtext.  The first chapter of this section describes the more overt depictions of homosexuality (from moral tales to trashy porn) and then moves on to more subtle ones like the fairy tales of Hans Christian Andersen.  The second chapter deals with Christianity and gay-friendly interpretations of the Bible.  The third and final chapter is all about homosexual detectives.  Starting with Poe&apos;s Auguste Dupin, moving on to Holmes (about whom there are several pages of subtextual analysis, ranging from the &quot;worth a wound&quot; scene to comments on the use of terms like &quot;queer&quot;, &quot;languid&quot;, and of course &quot;earnest&quot; in the Holmes canon) and then to early 20th century sleuths of a similar nature, he talks about how homosexuality -- dual nature, disguises, outsider-dom, the ability to discern other people&apos;s secrets -- is actually an integral part of the detective&apos;s character and role, and how similar themes emerge repeatedly even among authors who couldn&apos;t have read each other&apos;s work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also included among the plates in the book is Paget&apos;s engraving from SCAN, with the caption, &quot;Sherlock Holmes disguised as &apos;a Nonconformist clergyman&apos; and Irene Adler as &apos;a slim youth in an ulster&apos;&quot; -- elsewhere in the book Robb cites &quot;nonconformist&quot; as a Victorian euphemism for homosexual.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, in summary: very readable, and what&apos;s more, &lt;em&gt;pleasant&lt;/em&gt; to read (not just in style but in content).  Plus, a fair bit of Holmes-specific material.  Highly recommended.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=2551&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:59:04 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Hans Zimmer, Europe, and otherness</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So this might be a bit rambly, in which case I apologise in advance.  Hopefully I can express myself at least sort of clearly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the things I loved about the 2009 movie was Hans Zimmer&apos;s soundtrack.  I found it atmospheric and interesting and very different from what one would expect, and I quickly downloaded it and have listened to it a lot over the last few months.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(ETA: if you haven&apos;t heard it, or don&apos;t recall it, and want to refresh, you can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Sherlock-Holmes-Original-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B002ZMZBD2/&quot;&gt;listen to previews on Amazon&lt;/a&gt;.  It&apos;s also in the iTunes store with 30 second previews of each track. &quot;Discombobulate&quot; and &quot;I never woke up in handcuffs before&quot; are probably the best to listen to as examples of what&apos;s described below.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Zimmer in interviews:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/JhxufMrFzFQ&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowFullScreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;sameDomain&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/JhxufMrFzFQ&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;sameDomain&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Holmes is such a quintessential English subject, but I didn&apos;t want to go over the Elgar ground, or the Vaughan Williams, or whatever... and I very consciously wrote with a Kurt Weill, Brechtian accent in the thing. [...] With Guy it was... Guy, what do you think of banjos?  What do you think of Hungarian cimbalom?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width=&quot;420&quot; height=&quot;315&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowfullscreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot; /&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;sameDomain&quot; /&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=8837814&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=cc0000&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&quot; /&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=8837814&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=cc0000&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;sameDomain&quot; width=&quot;420&quot; height=&quot;315&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;We just talked about music that we liked, and somehow we got to Irish folk songs, and then I got to gypsy music, and suddenly we&apos;re talking about what was London like in those days? ... I believe Holmes is interested in other cultures, I think Holmes would be interested in how a gypsy violinist plays... Let&apos;s try and make music that&apos;s as quirky as the character, and as opinionated, and as outspoken...  One thing that was important to me from the word go was to tell the audience, it&apos;s going to be different, this is not the Holmes you&apos;re used to.  The first notes you hear are out of tune piano, out of tune Hungarian cimbalom, and a banjo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I find it interesting that Zimmer&apos;s really working the &quot;outsider&quot; vibe -- that Holmes, despite being English, has a soundtrack that is pan-European and non-orchestral and all about virtuosity and individualism rather than about fitting in and belonging.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It got me to thinking about Holmes&apos;s canonical French mother, and the fanon (I think originally propounded by Baring-Gould? it&apos;s described at length in his book &quot;Sherlock Holmes of Baker Street&quot; but it seems pretty widely accepted) that Sherlock Holmes spent a lot of his earlier life on the Continent.  He certainly speaks many languages (eg. German in SCAN, and French of course, which was also shown in the movie) and knows his way around various parts of Europe (eg. the cases mentioned at the start of REIG).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&apos;s also interesting that Zimmer &lt;a href=&quot;http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/12/hans-zimmer-on-his-sherlock-holmes-score-real-life-takes-place-in-pubs.html&quot;&gt;talks about Weimar Berlin&lt;/a&gt; as a strong influence for the soundtrack, since the Weimar Republic was known for its sexual license and homosexual subculture.  Berlin was known as a gay centre in Holmes&apos;s era too:  looping back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/1153.html&quot;&gt;my earlier post&lt;/a&gt; on Matt Cook&apos;s &quot;London and the culture of homosexuality, 1885-1914&quot;, there&apos;s a lot of stuff in there about homosexual culture in cities like Berlin, Paris and Vienna; about the dominance of continental sexology (Ulrichs, Hirschfeld, Bloch, Krafft-Ebing, etc); and about Paris as the centre of fin-de-siecle decadence and the aesthetic movement that was so closely tied to Wilde and his circle.  (Lest it seem that I&apos;m ignoring Zimmer&apos;s comments about Irish folk music in favour of the Continent, Graham Robb points out (in &quot;Strangers&quot;) that there was also a Victorian correlation between Ireland and sodomy: he writes, &quot;it is remarkable that so many of the famous British sodomy scandals had an Irish connection,&quot; and gives a list of them, the most famous of course being Wilde.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So to me, at any rate, the European-ness/non-Englishness of Zimmer&apos;s soundtrack doesn&apos;t just say &quot;outsider&quot; in a general way (though I&apos;d love it for that alone), it also has some fairly strong queer overtones.  Which is pretty much in keeping with the rest of the movie, really.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, I feel like I&apos;m forever going on about how much I love Guy Ritchie&apos;s directorial choices, but I can&apos;t help but add the soundtrack to the list of things I love, for the way it helps flesh out Holmes&apos;s otherness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=2274&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:10:08 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>yet further bibliography!</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;lotesse&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;lotesse&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Barsham, Diana. Arthur Conan Doyle and the Meaning of Masculinity. Burlington: Ashgate Publishing Ltd, 2000.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This ... is not entirely a recommendation. It&apos;s an interesting book; Barsham clearly has had contact with progressive ideas about gender and sexuality. It&apos;s mainly interesting for the glimpse it provides of just what exactly a non-queer reading of Sherlock Holmes &lt;i&gt;looks like.&lt;/i&gt; Gender without the sexuality, if you will. Fascinatingly enough, she sees Holmes as some sort of Masculinity Fix-It Machine, repairing the excesses of masculine evil and feminized weakness in British society. Obviously, I disagree.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Miller, D. A. The Novel and the Police. University of California Press, 1998.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is ... also not quite a recommendation, though I think it&apos;s a much better book than Barsham&apos;s. But D.A. Miller articulates the theory that&apos;s come to really dominate non-Sherlockian criticism of the repressive relationship between detective fiction and social liberation or deviance. Very valid politically, but a bit depressing if you don&apos;t like your Holmes to be the Kyriarchal Avenger!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Showalter, Elaine. Sexual Anarchy: Gender and Culture at the Fin de Siecle. New York: Penguin Books, 1990.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Showalter comes from the earlier parts of the feminist literary criticism movement, and so this book bears some traces of the various issues with second-wave theory. Most of the text was printed as articles in the 80s, so don&apos;t let the publication date fool you: this is definitely not 90s crit. It&apos;s a bit gender-essentialist and a bit kink-shy, but the work Showalter does connecting the various sexual and gendered shakeups at the end of the century make her more than worthwhile. Lots of stuff on theater, Wilde, 19th-century feminist movements, and intersections between sex &amp; gender. Nothing directly on Sherlock Holmes, but so much good context.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Weeks, Jeffrey. Inverts, Perverts, and Mary-Annes. Journal of Homosexuality 6.1 (1981): 113-134. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Older article, not directly regarding Holmes - but a fantastic rundown of the legal conditions of homosexuality, inversion, and prostitution in late Victorian England, esp. the Labouchere amendment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Wiltse, Ed. “&apos;So Constant an Expectation&apos;: Sherlock Holmes and Seriality.” Narrative 6.2 (1998): 105-122.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This frood cites Henry Jenkins, proving himself to be a thoroughly excellent chap. The article draws some really cool connections between queerness, drug use, and serial fiction - Wiltse basically argues that serials refused to end properly, and so kept going in a sort of depraved addictiveness. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also posted an &lt;a href=&quot;http://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/195638.html&quot;&gt;anti-rec, with bonus bad quotes&lt;/a&gt; for Christopher Redmond&apos;s &lt;i&gt;In Bed With Sherlock Holmes: Sexual Elements in Arthur Conan Doyle&apos;s Stories of The Great Detective&lt;/i&gt; a couple of days ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=2001&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:17:15 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Introduction</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;lotesse&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;lotesse&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;m &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://lotesse.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;lotesse&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, feminist, geek, and Victorianist. Like &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, I don&apos;t have a terribly long history with Sherlock Holmes: I read some stories as a kid, didn&apos;t think much of them, and then saw the movie over Christmas. Since then I&apos;ve also eaten the Granada series, which I think I like rather better than she does.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;m currently finishing the first year of study towards a PhD in Victorian literature with a focus on gender issues, so it&apos;s been exciting having Holmes as a conduit between my fannish life and my academic one. I&apos;ve been banging my head a bit against the Way Victorian Scholarship Deals With ACD, though!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;ve been in and out of historical fandoms for a while, and I got my start in hobbitslash, which is pretty much alt!Edwardian, but this whole being able to use journal articles for slash porn thing is pretty new and exciting for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=1573&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:47:41 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Welcome to Queering Holmes</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Posts of note:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/477.html&quot;&gt;Welcome / mod post&lt;/a&gt; (a good place to discuss what this community is for)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/1023.html&quot;&gt;Introductions post&lt;/a&gt; (feel free to introduce yourself there)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://queering-holmes.dreamwidth.org/tag/bibliography&quot;&gt;Bibliography&lt;/a&gt; of relevant works&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=1282&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:40 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Book rec: Matt Cook, &quot;London and the culture of homosexuality, 1885-1914&quot;</title>
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  <description>Posted by: &lt;span lj:user=&apos;damned_colonial&apos; style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos; class=&apos;ljuser&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;damned_colonial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;[ This is a partial repost of &lt;a href=&quot;http://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/470250.html&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; in my own DW last week.  If you&apos;re interested, you might want to click on over there to read comments or whatever. ]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book in question:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matt Cook, &quot;London and the Culture of Homosexuality, 1885-1914&quot;, Cambridge University Press, 2003.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Homosexuality-1885-1914-Cambridge-Nineteenth-Century-Literature/dp/0521089808&quot;&gt;Amazon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bookdepository.com/book/9780521089807/London-and-the-Culture-of-Homosexuality-1885-1914&quot;&gt;Book Depository&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=matt+cook&amp;amp;sts=t&amp;amp;tn=london+and+the+culture+of+homosexuality&amp;amp;x=0&amp;amp;y=0&quot;&gt;Abebooks&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldcat.org/title/matt-cook-london-and-the-culture-of-homosexuality-1885-1914/oclc/205231560&amp;amp;referer=brief_results&quot;&gt;Worldcat&lt;/a&gt; (public libraries), &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=vcx0-KZ0e1AC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;dq=matt+cook+london+homosexuality&quot;&gt;Google Books&lt;/a&gt; (partial).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My short rec: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are interested in Holmes slash, you need this book.  It&apos;s a fairly short, very readable volume that is more or less the non-fiction companion to H/W.  I dare you to read it and not go &quot;oooh!&quot; at some interesting fact every few pages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;[ excised a bunch of fannish rambling about the Sherlock Holmes movie, comparing it to the movie &quot;Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World&quot; and why I liked both of them, which is at least partly to do with a &quot;sense of place&quot; ... ]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;London and the Culture of Homosexuality&quot; is all about London-as-a-place and how one might navigate it if one were a homosexual man during Holmes&apos;s era.  He talks a lot about physical/geographic places: Piccadilly, Cleveland Street, the East End, Covent Garden, the Embankment.  He also talks about how, moving about those places, one might see signs and implications and choose to read them if one were interested in what they had to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here&apos;s a passage which reached out and grabbed me (it&apos;s talking about the &quot;unspeakable&quot; crime of male/male sex, of course):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;These spaces and bodies gained added importance in the newspapers since, as Cohen demonstrates, they stood in for mention of the sexual acts themselves.  The newspaper reader often had to gather clues from details of place and appearance in order to discern the crime, which was often not made clear.  Whilst the courts heard descriptions of sexual acts, the newspapers referred to &quot;gross indecency&quot; or &quot;unnatural&quot;, &quot;infamous&quot; or &quot;unnameable&quot; offences.  Sometimes references were even more oblique and the reader was left guessing what was at issue.  In the 1912 case against John Hill and Robert Freeman it was unclear from press reports what they were saying to the men they approached in Charing Cross Road.  Earlier in 1898 Robert Clibburn was convicted of blackmail and sentenced to seven years&apos; imprisonment, but the threats he issued to Charles Deck were only suggested by the fact that Deck was on the Embankment at night with an actor when he was approached, his fur coat stolen and money demanded for its return.  Acute readers might have remembered Clibborn as one of hte men who attempted to blackmail Wilde, and deduced from this -- together with the implications of a night-time walk along the Embankment and the theatrical company -- the possible nature of the threats he used to extort money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You see what I mean? (I dithered about whether to call out &quot;gather clues&quot; and &quot;deduced&quot; in the above passage or whether it was too obvious, but in case you&apos;re skimming, well, take it as pointed out.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speaking of newspapers, one of Cook&apos;s main sources is a scrapbook maintained by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cecil_Ives&quot;&gt;George Cecil Ives&lt;/a&gt;, an early gay rights campaigner.  He read all kinds of newspapers and kept clippings of any report relating to homosexuality, much as Holmes himself read all the papers and kept &quot;commonplace books&quot; to help him in his investigations.  (I&apos;m not saying Holmes is based on Ives, as Ives was very secretive -- just that it&apos;s interesting that they operated the same way, especially in the context of the above quote from Cook about careful readings of news reports and what one could deduce from them.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And on the subject of the Embankment (the scene of the above-mentioned blackmail attempt), it comes up repeatedly in Cook&apos;s book as a gay cruising ground, hence Cook&apos;s mention of &quot;the implications of a night-time walk along the Embankment&quot;.  Keeping that in mind, let me show you something from &quot;The Five Orange Pips&quot;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The client:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The man who entered was young, some two-and-twenty at the outside, well-groomed and trimly clad, with something of refinement and delicacy in his bearing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He&apos;s in fear of his life.  So Holmes says he&apos;ll take on the case, and will see the guy in the morning.  He advises him to go straight home and to take care.  In the morning, however, the newspaper brings the news that the man has been found drowned in the Thames.  Holmes is upset.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“That hurts my pride, Watson,” he said at last. “It is a petty feeling, no doubt, but it hurts my pride. It becomes a personal matter with me now, and, if God sends me health, I shall set my hand upon this gang. That he should come to me for help, and that I should send him away to his death—!” He sprang from his chair and paced about the room in uncontrollable agitation, with a flush upon his sallow cheeks and a nervous clasping and unclasping of his long thin hands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“They must be cunning devils,” he exclaimed at last. &lt;strong&gt;“How could they have decoyed him down there? The Embankment is not on the direct line to the station.&lt;/strong&gt; The bridge, no doubt, was too crowded, even on such a night, for their purpose. Well, Watson, we shall see who will win in the long run. I am going out now!” &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(emphasis mine.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I were George Ives, reading that in the 1890s, I know what I would think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are other similar mentions in canon.  I found a couple of them a while back when I was looking for something else and came across the &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=fcYq72qYRTcC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;dq=encyclopedia+of+prostitution&amp;amp;ei=E4fQS-bCLY6mlQTR9dCvCA&amp;amp;cd=1#v=onepage&amp;amp;q&amp;amp;f=false&quot;&gt;Encyclopedia of Prostitution and Sex Work&lt;/a&gt; on Google Books.  An article about male prostitution in Victorian literature mentions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, in his mainstream Sherlock Holmes stories, Arthur Conan Doyle makes oblique references to two London scandals involving male prostitutes.  Holmes -- now resonant of the classic fin de siecle homosexual aesthete -- asks his accomplice, Dr. Watson, to flee to the continent with him after Holmes almost dies in Vere Street, London, the site of the notorious scandal involving a male brothel named the White Swan.  Although the Vere Street Coterie was convicted in 1810, before Queen Victoria ascended the throne, the scandal remained in the public consciousness throughout the nineteenth century.  In another story, Holmes adopts a 14 year old &quot;telegraph boy&quot; as his valet, a reference that Conan Doyle&apos;s readers no doubt would have associated with the recent Cleveland Street Affair, when &quot;telegraph boys&quot; serviced aristocratic patrons and subsequently gave incriminating testimony.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Notice how these scandals all seem to have the names of streets?)  Anyway, the Cleveland Street scandal was huge news in 1890-1891, and everyone would have heard of it.  Taking a telegraph boy as a valet would be like one of your friends saying his girlfriend used to be a White House intern.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that the Holmes canon actually reads *gayer* if you happen to be familiar with London&apos;s late 19th century queer geography.  There are bits of subtext there that we&apos;re not even noticing, unless we know the period (and the queer subculture) very well indeed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cook also talks, at length, about bohemianism, Oscar Wilde, and the stereotype of &quot;the classic fin de siecle homosexual aesthete&quot; as found in literature, discussed in court, and reported in the press.  There&apos;s a lot about Dorian Gray (which, you may know, was written after ACD had dinner with Oscar Wilde -- see &lt;span style=&apos;white-space: nowrap;&apos;&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://hradzka.dreamwidth.org/profile&apos;&gt;&lt;img src=&apos;https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png&apos; alt=&apos;[personal profile] &apos; width=&apos;17&apos; height=&apos;17&apos; style=&apos;vertical-align: text-bottom; border: 0; padding-right: 1px;&apos; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&apos;https://hradzka.dreamwidth.org/&apos;&gt;&lt;b&gt;hradzka&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://hradzka.dreamwidth.org/384122.html&quot;&gt;awesome post&lt;/a&gt; about it for detail and a fun poem), and then it goes into talking about the Wilde trial and the way people conflated aestheticism and bohemianism with &quot;gross indecency&quot;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Evening News labelled Wilde &quot;one of the high priests of a school which attacks all the wholesome, manly, simple ideals of English life, and sets up false gods of decadent culture and intellectual debauchery.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the things associated with &quot;indecency&quot; included: being clean-shaven (no beard or mustache), excessive particularity or unconventionality in dress, oriental interior decoration, sitting inside with the curtains shut, anything French, and the city -- London -- itself.  Homosexual men were also thought to be particularly subject to neuraesthenia.  Sound like anyone we know?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I&apos;m not saying Guy Ritchie didn&apos;t take his vision of Holmes, and of Holmes&apos;s London, a bit far.  I&apos;m not saying he didn&apos;t get things wrong.  But... it resonates for me.  I like my Holmes messy, dissolute, and thoroughly embedded in his city.  If you do, too, you should read Cook&apos;s book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=queering_holmes&amp;ditemid=1153&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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